Ok,Personally I would vote for steroid users like Bonds and Mcgwire, I meant let’s all face it just how many players have been clean through their whole career? I bet not everyone would play like Bonds even if they took the same or more amount of juice and remember Ken Caminiti? He turned out to be the only player who had the guts to admit and say that most player uses it. For crying out loud, the MLB uses a urine test if they really wanted to ban all drug use they should use a blood test but that’s going to shatter the league. Also there are many ways of cheating, vaseline ball (Perry lol), cork bat which proved to be not helpful at all, and putting pine tar on bats and gloves
I have to say everyone made a good point and I would give all of you 10 points but I’ve decided to put this question to a vote early on. Well it seems like more people would let him in than out, which is good I guess.
I have to say everyone made a good point and I would give all of you 10 points but I’ve decided to put this question to a vote early on. Well it seems like more people would let him in than out, which is good I guess.
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Caminiti the only player to disclose his usage and expansive claims leaguewide?
Canseco has hardly been mute on the matter. Two books and all.
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I think the baseball writers will put him in eventually. I do feel they are sending the Juicers a message and not electing any on the first or second ballot.
Sammy Sosa was a juicer who also got suspended a few games for having a corked bat. He is a two time loser in my book because he lied on both instances.
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It’s baseball dirty little secret.. PEDs have been used heavily in baseball since the game began. For decades team doctors not only provided them to players but actively encouraged players to use them.
To have a credible excuse to keep Bonds out of the Hall, there would also have to be a serious investigation into the use of PEDs by people currently in the Hall of Fame. And that investigation would tarnish the names of a LOT of baseball’s all time greats.
- ROID$ : )
- @kinz…. Sosa didn’t deny using steroids or a corked bat. He just forgot to speak english when he was confronted about it.
- despite the fact he used steroids, he still broke Hank Aaron’s home run record which makes him automatically a hall of famer like it or not.
- I believe that eventually whether people like it or not Bonds will be inducted in the HOF. hHe had already HOF numbers before the controversy started.
- He will never make it because baseball writers hold a grudge. I think the steroid era put a giant black eye on the sport and don’t think any of the juiced players deserve to be in the hall.
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Yes. The question here is WHEN he began cheating; Canseco’s timeline pretty much matches the start of Bonds’ career—most people assume it started in 2000 when his SLG took a 70-point jump despite him being 35. That’s enough evidence for me to agree with most people.
In the 10 years from 1990-1999 his OBP would have been around .450—I mean seriously?? I think SB are vastly overrated, but he did it with a great percentage, and when you’re getting on base nearly half the time you’re turning singles into doubles at an alarming rate. 6 of those 10 years he stole 30+, with two 29s and one 28. Three of those seasons he stole 40 or more. He had 361 HR during that span and 8 Gold Gloves.
I refuse to acknowledge him as the All-Time HR King, but when you’re the best player for an entire decade, you’re a Hall Of Famer.
- As much as i’d like to have a dividing line between some of the roided players, if you let one in, then you have to let all in, or at least consider them for it. I’d let Bonds in because even on the cream and clear, he still had to make contact with the ball! I’ve been watching basball for a long time and can’t remeber so many teams and pitchers NOT wanting to pitch to a player! Bonds would go a few games in a row where teams didn’t pitch to him, and then when someone finally did, the ball wound up in the bay! Let him in.
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I would vote him in.
His talents are unquestionable, and Baseball decided that winning back fans was more important than making sure players were not using PEDs. I don’t think that choice is right is wrong… and I am certainly not going to hold the choice of the culture of baseball against one player.
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I wouldn’t vote him in. Rewarding scumbags is a terrible example to players and fans
I favor blood testing: Trouble is MLB doesn’t want that being greedy and money-driven
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It’s all about intent. When a player knowingly does something to gain an illegal or unfair advantage over his peers, he cannot be rewarded for such a choice. Since the BBWAA has been so inept and are too subjective over the years in its selection of players, I doubt that Bonds will have to wait too long before he infects Cooperstown.
He will no doubt receive a “slap on the wrist” in 2013, (his first year of eligibility), but that will only be done by the BBWAA to show the public that they, “give a crap”. We all know that they don’t. Once Bonds gets in, and he will, all the other “PED users” with HOF stats will eventually get in. Sad but true.
Would I vote for Bonds? Hell, no! He cheated!
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